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Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on May 20, 2007, 09:25:56 PM The Ulitmate goal of Project ///Ms[/i] is street friendly 250 WHP and 200 WTQ. I believe this is achieveable without stepping up to a twin charge kit. I'm going to use this thead to log my progress.
Lets start what I have so far: (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/ddm20intake1.jpg) A High Density Induction Cold Air Intake with an Alta tube. (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/1pulley.jpg) A Helix RDR 19% Pulley (going to a 17% to keep IAT's down at high RPM) (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/crankpulley.jpg) 0% Crank Pully from E-bay for $30 (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/invidia_exhaust_799_99.jpg) A beautifull Invidia Exhaust (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/jcwinjectors.jpg) JCW 380 Injectors (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/obxheader2v3.jpg) OBX Header mated to the Stock Cat. (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Mini%20Head/DSC00077.jpg) (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Mini%20Head/DSC00070.jpg) This is the Head that I worked with Abacus Racing for several months to get it just right, coupled with a Shrick cam the power is simply AMAZING! I can say that this is the "Next Step" in power to after the pulley! (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/stage3plus.jpg) Spec Stage 3+ Clutch Kit (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/flywheel.jpg) UUC Lightened flywheel (12.75 Lbs) This clutch/flywheel combo is GREAT and exceeded all expectations! Most High performance Clutches mixed with a lightweight flywheel is un-managable for street use, but awsome on the track. For me that wasn't an option, so after much re-search I've found this combo and crossed my fingers. The end result is a reliable HP (can handle up to 420 lbs of tq :shock: ) clutch that maintains street drivability. The next big mod is going to be an Aftercooler from: (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Mini/IMG_1101.jpg) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: When all is completed I'm thinking of haveing John from Lucky Dog Garage do the final tune for me. Right now I have MTH but they are un-able to produce a High Performance tune that I need. Don't get me wrong MTH is a great product and served me well, but at the level my mini is at only a good Dyno Tune will suffice. I am going to continue to edit this thread as I finish up the Project. Title: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on May 20, 2007, 10:56:04 PM :smt035
I rock on Guitar Hero on your behalf! Can't wait to see how this all comes together. Title: Project ///M Post by: Ventidue on May 21, 2007, 08:22:24 AM I can't wait to see this all work out either. It is going to be awesome. The sound should be unreal too!
Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on May 21, 2007, 08:27:47 AM What about a ported S/C from M7? Will match that head/Cam perfectly. Better flow means more power.
Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on May 22, 2007, 12:02:50 PM Quote from: "1972Austin" What about a ported S/C from M7? Will match that head/Cam perfectly. Better flow means more power. Shawn Hmm...I'm sure I can find someone local to port it for much less then m7 wants...A friend of mine got the one in his lightning done for 2-300. Thanks! Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on May 22, 2007, 04:49:40 PM Is there really someone local that can do that?? Hmmm....(wheels in head turning!)
Shawn Title: Ported SC Post by: Johan on May 23, 2007, 12:56:36 AM got an e=mail back from LDG:
"my initial reaction is that it's a bit of terd polishing. The real issue with that supercharger is the way it beats the air up at high rpms-over 14,000. This happens when a pulley with a greater reduction than 15% is used and is not addressed by porting. Porting does increase airflow, don't get me wrong, but I don't see where it will make much difference in this case." Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on May 23, 2007, 06:01:26 AM So airflow is increased but it is so turbulent that not much is gained from it.
Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: Ventidue on May 23, 2007, 09:27:31 AM Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy!
http://www.turbonator.com/ Title: Project ///M Post by: obehave on May 23, 2007, 10:11:44 AM Quote from: "Ventidue" Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy! http://www.turbonator.com/ Group buy!! Group buy!! :smt044 :smt033 :smt101 Title: OK Post by: Johan on June 15, 2007, 01:16:55 PM Just loaded my mini on the transport and is heading to so-cal :twisted:
Title: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on June 15, 2007, 01:58:54 PM J,
How long till it comes back with extra ponies? Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on June 15, 2007, 02:05:03 PM realistically, probably about a month before I get it back...transport times, plus the work getting done -- :twisted:
Title: Project ///M Post by: glassdarkly on June 15, 2007, 02:35:58 PM Is there solid science behind this? Sounds a little too good to be true..... :roll:
Quote from: "obehave" Quote from: "Ventidue" Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy! http://www.turbonator.com/ Group buy!! Group buy!! :smt044 :smt033 :smt101 Title: Project ///M Post by: obehave on June 15, 2007, 04:10:05 PM Quote from: "glassdarkly" Is there solid science behind this? Sounds a little too good to be true..... :roll: Quote from: "obehave" Quote from: "Ventidue" Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy! http://www.turbonator.com/ Group buy!! Group buy!! :smt044 :smt033 :smt101 There's something solid to this but it ain't science. (http://www.jkface.com/golden_turd.jpg) Title: Project ///M Post by: Ventidue on June 16, 2007, 01:05:11 AM Quote from: "obehave" Quote from: "glassdarkly" Is there solid science behind this? Sounds a little too good to be true..... :roll: Quote from: "obehave" Quote from: "Ventidue" Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy! http://www.turbonator.com/ Group buy!! Group buy!! :smt044 :smt033 :smt101 There's something solid to this but it ain't science. (http://www.jkface.com/golden_turd.jpg) Sounds great! Now about that beach front AZ property... :smt043 Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on June 17, 2007, 05:52:42 PM Here is my last dyno sheet...VP 104 unleaded race fuel
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Mini/20NOV06.jpg) Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on June 17, 2007, 08:19:17 PM Wicked power and torque curves, bet it runs like a raped ape, but that air/fuel looks a bit scary, kinda lean in a couple places. Is that why your gettin the Lucky Dog tune?
Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on June 17, 2007, 08:53:58 PM AFR's are scary, I loaded the stock tune after that run. I decided not to go with the LDG...It's on a line haul to southern ca. to get tuned -- :twisted:
Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on June 18, 2007, 07:49:43 AM Who's doin the tune out west? Must be good to send it out there!
Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on June 18, 2007, 05:39:25 PM It's going to Gintani, they can emulate the ECU, as far as I know they have the only tuner who can do that for the mini...Which means they can live tune the car while it's on the dyno. Unlike LDG where they need to do a run, shut the car off, download info, make changes, upload new info and run again. It takes about 10 minutes just to download or upload a new file. Gintani can accomplish in 20 minutes what would take LDG 4 hours...Now imagine what Gintani could do in 4 hours :shock: Don't get me wrong...LDG is in my opinion the best tuning solution for the east cost... I am very excited, 250 doesn't seem that far, but I should be in the 240's for sure! I'm really hoping to see the TQ break the 200...now that would be interesting -- :twisted:
Title: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on June 18, 2007, 07:55:10 PM Quote from: "glassdarkly" Is there solid science behind this? Sounds a little too good to be true..... :roll: Quote from: "obehave" Quote from: "Ventidue" Sounds like a Turbonator would come in handy! http://www.turbonator.com/ Group buy!! Group buy!! :smt044 :smt033 :smt101 Did you even need to ask Larry? :D It's always too good if it sounds that way!! Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on June 18, 2007, 10:01:05 PM Quote from: "Johan" It's going to Gintani, they can emulate the ECU, as far as I know they have the only tuner who can do that for the mini...Which means they can live tune the car while it's on the dyno. Unlike LDG where they need to do a run, shut the car off, download info, make changes, upload new info and run again. It takes about 10 minutes just to download or upload a new file. Gintani can accomplish in 20 minutes what would take LDG 4 hours...Now imagine what Gintani could do in 4 hours :shock: Don't get me wrong...LDG is in my opinion the best tuning solution for the east cost... I am very excited, 250 doesn't seem that far, but I should be in the 240's for sure! I'm really hoping to see the TQ break the 200...now that would be interesting -- :twisted: That sounds awesome! I had no idea that no one on the East Coast could do real time tuning. All that TQ though, will you be able to put it down? If not atleast it will look cool! :twisted: Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on June 18, 2007, 11:07:55 PM I drove Johans car for the GWR event, and man is all that power addictive. It's a lot... but I don't think more will hurt a thing. He'll get the power down, maybe not right on the line...but once you're going, look out!
Title: Project ///M Post by: obehave on June 19, 2007, 09:51:53 AM Quote from: "1972Austin" Quote from: "Johan" It's going to Gintani, they can emulate the ECU, as far as I know they have the only tuner who can do that for the mini...Which means they can live tune the car while it's on the dyno. Unlike LDG where they need to do a run, shut the car off, download info, make changes, upload new info and run again. It takes about 10 minutes just to download or upload a new file. Gintani can accomplish in 20 minutes what would take LDG 4 hours...Now imagine what Gintani could do in 4 hours :shock: Don't get me wrong...LDG is in my opinion the best tuning solution for the east cost... I am very excited, 250 doesn't seem that far, but I should be in the 240's for sure! I'm really hoping to see the TQ break the 200...now that would be interesting -- :twisted: That sounds awesome! I had no idea that no one on the East Coast could do real time tuning. All that TQ though, will you be able to put it down? If not atleast it will look cool! :twisted: Shawn There are some decent tuners here. LDG does do good work. It's just that Gintani is IT for ECU emulation. East coast or West. Title: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on June 19, 2007, 10:49:43 PM That custom BLACK Gintani W2AIC won't hurt a bit either!! :shock:
Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on June 21, 2007, 08:34:51 PM My mini just arrived at the shop, work shall begin tomorrow -- :twisted:
Title: UPDATE: Post by: Johan on June 30, 2007, 01:26:22 PM Well things have been going crazy around here for me this past week...
After my mini arrived at Gintani the clutch slave cylinder went out...no drama but still a PITA. Got that fixed and then it was off to the dyno...it turned 198HP...I know that's low but remember that I loaded the stock software back in and that brought the Rev limiter back down to 6850. The double valve springs that we orded wouldn't work with the ultrik valves that I have...So we would of had to change out my vavles and the whole valve train (all because I want to spin higer than 8g) I didn't really want to hack up my Abacus head because it works really well and exactly what it was designed for. So I made a decision to get a new head built. Hence some of the drama in the for sale thread. Everything is on track again, but mini will be in CA for an extra week or so as it's going to take about 10 days to build the head and get the parts in. While the heads being built were going to CNC port match the cooler to the BIG valved head...Should flow nice and smooth...On the other end will be a new port matched 3" Gintani header and 3" Gintani exhaust...This header was tuned and tested on Randy Webb's race mule. Then to bring everything together will be the live dyno tune! So far this has been the best customer service I have ever had with the mini community. The guys at Gintani are "Top Notch" and know a lot about makeing cars go fast. :twisted: Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on August 13, 2007, 06:02:10 PM :shock:
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/09.jpg) hehe :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Title: Project ///M Post by: obehave on August 13, 2007, 08:03:44 PM Uh?? That's more than a head. I see no pistons. One ought to be close to TDC.
Yer up to something 8) Title: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on August 13, 2007, 08:45:01 PM This car is going to be SICK when it's done.
Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on August 13, 2007, 09:41:44 PM OK
new page new pic... (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/05.jpg) Just wait and see whats going to be on page 4 :shock: LOL :twisted: Title: Project ///M Post by: obehave on August 13, 2007, 11:32:22 PM I was pretty sure I was seeing clean bores. That deck surface looks mighty clean too.
I want to to see piston pics tomorrow 8) Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on August 15, 2007, 07:22:09 PM Quote from: "obehave" I was pretty sure I was seeing clean bores. That deck surface looks mighty clean too. I want to to see piston pics tomorrow 8) Well...When we get to page 4 we'll see what pics next :twisted: :lol: :twisted: Title: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on August 16, 2007, 08:34:42 AM this is just cruel...
and another post hoping we get to page 4 Title: Project ///M Post by: 1972Austin on August 16, 2007, 09:44:49 AM I wanna see too, page 4 yet?
Shawn Title: Project ///M Post by: MisBehave on August 16, 2007, 09:47:46 AM You guys are BAD.......maybe this will turn the page...
Title: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on August 16, 2007, 01:31:12 PM my turn again...
jonas is making us wait... Title: Project ///M Post by: jrudy01 on August 16, 2007, 01:36:51 PM Ooooh Dad..... Are we there yet??? in my best whiiiiiiineeeee voice
Title: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on August 16, 2007, 01:48:15 PM MMMMMM Power!!!!
Just waiting......... simply waiting. Title: Project ///M Post by: MisBehave on August 16, 2007, 01:54:46 PM :smt034 Keep on swimming...keep on swimming...keep on swimming...swimming...swimming :smt034
Title: Project ///M Post by: jrudy01 on August 16, 2007, 02:02:41 PM :smt034
99 bottles of beer on the... 99 bottles of beer... if one of them should happen to fall....98 bottles of beer on the wall.... 98 bottles of beer on the... 98 bottles of beer... if one of them should happen to fall....97 bottles of beer on the wall.... :smt020 Title: Project ///M Post by: nobehave on August 16, 2007, 02:03:01 PM Okay whoever gets to page 4 first gets a cookie. Not just a cookie. A very delicious cookie. The one of a kind "Good Job" cookie. Unless he's isn't ready to do page 4 yet, then you're in trouble. :P
Title: Project ///M Post by: RiquiScott on August 16, 2007, 02:05:39 PM This Space left intentionally blank ....
Obligingly eating up space just to get to the next page. Don't say I don't do my part!!! Peace, R. Title: Project ///M Post by: RiquiScott on August 16, 2007, 02:06:11 PM damn ... no cookie for me....
pout pout pout R. Title: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on August 16, 2007, 02:07:19 PM (http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/Hgrudman/cookie.gif)
Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on August 16, 2007, 02:51:00 PM HAHAHA...Should of seen that one coming...I was hoping for more time to get a better pic...But here ya go...
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/06.jpg) Title: Project ///M Post by: RiquiScott on August 16, 2007, 03:00:26 PM Quote from: "Johan" HAHAHA...Should of seen that one coming...I was hoping for more time to get a better pic...But here ya go... Yeah .... haven't you been around here long enough to know better? I mean c'mon ... that's like taunting a tiger with raw meat. Peace, R. Title: Project ///M Post by: Cajun on August 16, 2007, 04:05:28 PM Yea no kidding. at this rate we will see the whole thing before it gets installed. Come on page 5
Title: Project ///M Post by: Johan on September 11, 2007, 07:57:11 PM Here is latest...
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2084.jpg) and.. (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2087.jpg) :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Title: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on September 12, 2007, 07:16:24 AM hellooooo frontmount!
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on September 18, 2007, 07:15:15 PM Here are some pics of the 3" exhaust.
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2093.jpg) This 3" header is designed for TQ, not just max HP at high RPM (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2100.jpg) (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2103.jpg) (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/IMG_2101.jpg) Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on September 18, 2007, 07:18:06 PM When is this beast due back home? It's looking really good !!!
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on September 18, 2007, 07:23:32 PM A couple of weeks...Gintani is moved into a larger shop and is installing a new dyno dynamics. So once that's done they are going to tune it in house. ;D
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Deb, the blue fairy on September 18, 2007, 11:35:56 PM How's the leg healing? Hopefully you will be able to drive it when it gets back. It will be very frustrating if you can't.
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on September 19, 2007, 07:36:31 AM that looks entirely beastly...
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on September 19, 2007, 05:06:38 PM How's the leg healing? Hopefully you will be able to drive it when it gets back. It will be very frustrating if you can't. Good, Thanks...I was on a cane for a couple weeks but now I'm on nothing! Still painfull and have a slight limp that's going away slowly. I still have holes and cracks in my bones but there healing and just takes time and lots of milk ;D I will be driving my mini by time it get's home!! Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Lelane on September 23, 2007, 12:31:42 PM If you are haveing to consume lots of milk you should come on out to Cold Stones today at 4:00 in Greenbriar. We don't care of you don't have a MINI to drive right now. :023:
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on September 23, 2007, 01:44:41 PM Yeah... bring out the holy bones....... ahhhhh wholly....no holey might be better... anyways bring out dem bones!
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on September 23, 2007, 05:30:53 PM DOH, just checked the boards...Next weekend for sure! :096:
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on October 09, 2007, 08:56:47 AM any news on the project?
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on October 23, 2007, 08:29:05 AM i wonder if jonas is having the same problem getting email updates to the threads that i am?
still would like to know if the beast is prowling our local streets yet... anyone seen it out and about? Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on October 23, 2007, 09:12:08 AM I have a feeling Jonas is either deployed or on extended leave for the time being. He'll pop up sometime down the road I'm sure.
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on October 30, 2007, 02:31:09 PM I haven't got my mini back yet, Last I heard they were still waiting to get the dyno installed. I'll give a call out there to see if I can get any updates. I hope it didn't burn up in the fires they've been having :icon_eek:
:icon_evil: Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on December 05, 2007, 10:17:40 AM bueller?
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on December 31, 2007, 07:01:28 PM Sorry I haven't posted in a while...To be honest I have become a little dissapointed in the mini community. I've learned maybe more then I should of. Nothing about the locals here, I'm talking more about the vendors. I don't have my mini back yet, but that's mainly my doing, I'm SOO glad that I chose to go with Gintani as a Vendor. I know I'm not perfect, but I do have morals, and to see what some of these guys are doing out there..and all the mini owners that simply don't know any better falling for it makes me completely sick! To the point where I choose not to visit the forums anymore.
Any way, looks like I'll be moving to CA soon, so it kinda works out for the better. I'm probably just going to keep my car out there. I have another business trip coming up and when I get back I'm going to have my old parts shipped here for the guys who want them. Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on January 01, 2008, 01:04:40 AM Well i hope we all get a chance to say goodbye in person before you head out west. When is the going away party J?
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on January 01, 2008, 01:23:30 PM Sorry I haven't posted in a while...To be honest I have become a little dissapointed in the mini community. I've learned maybe more then I should of. Nothing about the locals here, I'm talking more about the vendors. I don't have my mini back yet, but that's mainly my doing, I'm SOO glad that I chose to go with Gintani as a Vendor. I know I'm not perfect, but I do have morals, and to see what some of these guys are doing out there..and all the mini owners that simply don't know any better falling for it makes me completely sick! To the point where I choose not to visit the forums anymore. Any way, looks like I'll be moving to CA soon, so it kinda works out for the better. I'm probably just going to keep my car out there. I have another business trip coming up and when I get back I'm going to have my old parts shipped here for the guys who want them. Care to educate us with some of the more poignant issues you're coming across Johan? As a side note, I'm sad I won't be driving that beast out here someday! Please let us know when you're in town next... it would be good to catch up. Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on January 26, 2008, 07:46:56 PM (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/3.jpg)
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m218/johan422/Project%20M/1.jpg) The tuning has begun...Sorry no numbers yet. Anyone who needs some Amsoil let me know! Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on March 08, 2008, 11:57:16 PM Can't post any numbers yet, but we are makeing more power than any other mini with a stock supercharger!!! Right now we have more HP at 5k RPM than most mini's are at 8k and more TQ at 3K than any other SC mini.
It's going to be a good eye opener once I post the dyno sheets. Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on March 09, 2008, 12:55:39 PM You're such a tease!
:018: Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Johan on March 13, 2008, 04:52:21 PM VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m65fxsEBStg)
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on March 13, 2008, 09:09:12 PM I'm gonna make that sound a ringer for my phone!
Damn, that sounds great! When we gonna see number? :038: Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: Lelane on March 14, 2008, 08:02:13 AM Damn! You should be able to just run back over here and give us all a ride and make it back to work the next morning with that monster!
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: dark06mcs on March 14, 2008, 10:36:53 AM i still want to see numbers.
who cares if they arent that big? Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on March 14, 2008, 10:03:00 PM i still want to see numbers. who cares if they arent that big? Patience young padawan... and trust they'll be big. :101: They're sorting out the final tuning basically, wringing every last pony out of her. I expect only good news when it's all said and done. Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: obehave on March 16, 2008, 12:41:13 PM The video isn't that clear, for obvious reasons, but I didn't notice the tell tale puff of black smoke at 6500ish that is normal.
That by itself shows a good tune and even better cooler intake charge temps. :023: Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on March 16, 2008, 01:05:50 PM Ooo... good observation Terry, I missed that. :112:
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MPETUOS on March 16, 2008, 06:24:10 PM At this point...... i just want to drive the beast!!
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: MisBehave on September 12, 2008, 06:58:51 PM Anyone heard from Jonas?
Title: Re: Project ///M Post by: F15eWeapon on September 12, 2008, 10:51:32 PM Last I heard from him was in March I think... I'm sure he's moved to another base by now. Hopefully he's back to normal with his leg by now.
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