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« on: April 06, 2007, 05:39:52 PM »

Without making any changes to the vehicle itself, which of the following choices would make for a better/faster/smoother ride:

a.  16" OEM R94s w/Dunlop RFs
b.  16" OEM R94s w/non RFs
c.  17" OEM S-lites w/Fuzion HR1s
d.  15" OEM R96 w/non RFs

Basically, I need to know if smaller-rimmed wheels go faster than bigger-rimmed wheels...or is it a moot point?
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 05:55:39 PM »

I think you're looking at it from the wrong direction
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Want a smoother ride?  Increase the 'profile' of the tire .... i.e. buy a taller tire which absorbs deflection better.

Add to that - a 16" rim gives you more space to play with....

"smooth" is about the ability of the tire to absorb part of the bump B4 it gets transmitted to the suspension....

Now "faster" ... well one can mathmatically compute differences for diam' of wheel'tire groups but that equation dips into "grip" if you're talking twisties.  And that discussion equates to:  "what is the best tasting beer?"

Does a 16" rim go faster than a 17????   Well HELL, OC is on 10"s...I must exceed light speed!
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 08:04:27 PM »

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I think you're looking at it from the wrong direction
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Ok...sometimes he over-explains things and I end up wishing I hadn't asked the question.

Schultze is now wearing 215/45R17 Fuzion HRi wrapped around S-lites.

Jury is definitely still out on whether it's a smoother ride.  We'll see how it goes after I return from my little jaunt to Breezewood, PA tomorrow afternoon.

I guess I should have phrased my original question differently:

If I want to run __" non-RFs, what would be the "ideal" profile that would result in a smoother ride than what I currently get with the 195/45R16 RFs?  

If I'm understanding both you & my husband correctly, a smaller rim allows for higher sidewall height, correct?
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 08:18:41 PM »

IMHO..  Depending on budget.. for a nice balanced package..

  Lose the OEM wheels..  the 16's are too narrow, and the 17's are way too heavy.  Over the years I have had excellent success with this or similar setups in STX, GS and STR... I like 16x7 wheels, something reasonably light, 14 pounds is nice, 16 pounds max.  Anything much lighter will cost $$.   For tires, I recommend 215/45x16 Falken Azenis or the Hankook Ventus Rs2.  Both are fine for sporty street and Street Tire class competion and are very inexpensive.  

Here's a link for the tires..

http://www.edgeracing.com/tires/2154516/

Happy shopping!!

EDIT:  Seeing your second post, I may have misunderstood your goal..  You find the ride too harsh and are looking to soften it up a bit.. right?? :?
Any run-flat tire is going to have a harsher ride than a non- run-flat tire. Go with a standard tire.. I understand there are some issues with mounting standard tires on RF wheels but don't know the details.  FWIW, my recommeded setup is not harsher than the OEM 17' setup.  I found the OEM 16" setup to be excessively mushy.

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2007, 12:57:34 AM »

Hey Alan..good to see you on here!  I'm looking forward to seeing ya'll again at ACU.  

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2007, 08:13:25 AM »

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I think you're looking at it from the wrong direction
{ask your resident engineer  :? }

Ok...sometimes he over-explains things and I end up wishing I hadn't asked the question.

Schultze is now wearing 215/45R17 Fuzion HRi wrapped around S-lites.

Jury is definitely still out on whether it's a smoother ride.  We'll see how it goes after I return from my little jaunt to Breezewood, PA tomorrow afternoon.

I guess I should have phrased my original question differently:

If I want to run __" non-RFs, what would be the "ideal" profile that would result in a smoother ride than what I currently get with the 195/45R16 RFs?  

If I'm understanding both you & my husband correctly, a smaller rim allows for higher sidewall height, correct?

yep - you got it

just going away from RF will soften things up - a run flat is just a tire with extremely thick sidewalls.  Add low profile + thick side walls and you get hard tires.

So step 1 is loose the rf's ... step 2, a smaller diameter wheel allows a larger sidewall without changing the overall diameter of the combination - the added side wall is the part that flexes and absorbs bumps,,,

the various tire calculators will let you play with wheel/tire size combos to see if you are changing the overall size ... which you can do to but remember this ... ever riden an old 'sting-ray' style bike very far?  with those smaller diameter wheels.  Even riden the same distance on a regular 26 or 27 inch wheeled bike?  It's geometry.... the larger the circumference of the circle the fewer times it rotates to roll a distance...  On the other hand everyone who's ridden a 10 speed knows starting in a tall gear takes more effort - a smaller diameter wheel is easier to get going....but eventully needs to turn faster then a larger one....

of course one then gets into width .... weight .... wheel offset .....
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