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« on: December 15, 2009, 07:47:27 PM »

Hey all, I know I haven't poked around here lately, busy time ya know.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in helping me install a 15% pulley and a lightweight crank pulley in OC.  I got them as a Christmas present for Mandy so it will be after the holidays.  I know Scott used to be the resident pulley guy.  Any help would be appreciated, I pay in beer and pizza!

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 10:58:47 PM »

SC pulley I've watched being done a dozen times at our old pulley parties. Crank pulley I don't know about. I just don't have the specialty tools. I need a belt tensioner myself since mine is past due for a change.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 05:52:21 PM »

SC pulley I've watched being done a dozen times at our old pulley parties. Crank pulley I don't know about. I just don't have the specialty tools. I need a belt tensioner myself since mine is past due for a change.

you can make a belt tensioner ... Haynes has a diagram.  PM me if you want a copy.  You can bolt it together but if you know someone with a welder that's the way I'd go.  All you need is about 3 feet of flat bar you can get at Home Despots or Lowes
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 10:27:56 PM »

Hey all, I know I haven't poked around here lately, busy time ya know.  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in helping me install a 15% pulley and a lightweight crank pulley in OC.  I got them as a Christmas present for Mandy so it will be after the holidays.  I know Scott used to be the resident pulley guy.  Any help would be appreciated, I pay in beer and pizza!

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Shawn, have you gotten these mods completed yet ? I have been seriously considering adding either a "zero" lightweight crank pulley, or a 2% overdrive lightweight pulley to my '03 MCS to compliment my Craven 15% SC pulley. At one time I did find some very detailed crank pulley instructions with photo's. The claim was that it was easier than a SC pulley install. I thought I had seen it on NAM, but have looked again and am unable to find it. Perhaps it was the instructions that you can print from the Moss Mini page for lightweight crank pulleys, anyway.... Something to consider before doing this install, and anyone that has done this, please correct me if I am wrong. The lightweight crank pulleys that are available do decrease rotating mass, and depending on which pulley is installed add boost by overdriving the supercharger, however they also have NO vibration damping effect, as the OEM pulley has. Over time this no vibration damping "could" shorten the life of the crank bearings. I am now looking at installing a part that Way Motor Works has on the market. Their "Super Damper Crank Pulley" fits the R53, is 3 lbs. lighter than the stock pulley and is available in a 2% overdrive size. It is pricey, but worth a look. Just food for thought.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 12:16:11 AM »

Two things on this.  First, make sure the lightweight crank pulley does not take away from the harmonics of the engine balance.  If memory serves, the crank pulley and harmonic balancer are one piece.  You don't want to throw your engine out of balance.  Check with one of the Mini performance shops listed on NAM, Tar Heel Minis, etc. before you make this mod.

Once you cross the 15% boost threshold, you will need to consider several things.  First, you may need to upgrade your injectors to 380cc (i.e. JCW injectors). Consider going to colder plugs (NGK BKR7; stock is BKR6).   A good tune may be needed.  You may also want to consider getting your head ported and polished.  Best thing here is to acquire another one and have the work done to it to minimize down time.

More boost is more heat.  I've done alot of research on this topic lately.  The stock intercooler is the second best option.  It's smaller and heats up quicker, but it cools off faster.  There are several posts on NAM about the aftermarket intercoolers.   Here's a link:  NAM - Intercooler Cooling Tests.   The best intercooler is the one installed in the 2006 MCS GP.  The only thing is Mini will not sell a replacement intercooler unless you can prove you own a GP (i.e. VIN).

This realm is more Mugami's place.  Need to PM him to get more info.  He's done far more mods and tuning to his two MCS'.   
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 09:15:37 PM »

Thanks everyone for the inputs.  I have not put the pulleys on yet, haven't had time, but plan to very soon.  The pulleys I bought are Altas.  The crank pulley is a 0% and the Altas are balanced before they are sold.  Mine has a few balancing marks on it. 

With the SC pulley only being 15%, the computer is smart enough to up the fuel to keep the mixture correct with the stock injectors.  If I was going any bigger (or smaller as the case may be) I most certainly would go with larger injectors.  They are on the list, but not needed just yet.  A new intercooler is also on the list along with a header and port matching.  This MINI is still a daily driver so I can't take it off the road to long. 

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 11:27:38 PM »

Understood.  You did say a 2% crank pulley was optional.  In most cases, 15% pulley, cold air intake, exhaust, new plugs, and a tune are the best bangs for the buck.  All this can put you close to 200 HP at the crank.  And no required upgrade to the stock injectors (which are 330cc, or about 31 lbs./hr).  To compare, 30 lb. injectors are good for up to 400 HP on small-block V8 engines.

The computer can learn the 15% pulley.  However, this will take time, and it won't be the same as a professional who can reflash the computer with the best possible air/fuel/timing combinations for optimizing performance.

I still consider the intercooler an upgrade after the fact.  Based on the link I provided you, in my book, the jury is still out.  I'm not going to bother getting one unless someone makes it as good or better than the '06 GP version.  However, I would not toss out the idea of one of the water squirter kits.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 04:35:27 AM »

Agreed, I wish someone made a handheld flasher for us instead of the inline modifiers out there.  I am going to get it tuned when I get a chance, Lucky Dog in D.C. will be where I go.  Eventually this MINI will be a weekend car and will get a Cossi head port matched to the intake and stainless header.  Thats when I go for the ne injectors and intercooler, probably DFIC. 

The intake and exhaust are already done as well as a short shifter and poly engine bushings.  Still want to do a full suspension work up and add an engine stabiliser bar.  So many things on the wish list!

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 01:43:50 AM »

I found another relevant article on NAM that may be of interest regarding the GP intercooler:  NAM - Upgrade to the GP Intercooler.  One of the replies to this post has some data on testing intake air temperature (IAT) at the drag strip vs. regular driving.  The posting also talks of combining the use of an aftermarket scoop, such as the M7 Extreme Scoop.  This would definitely contribute to an overall lower IAT drop and would be a more cost-effective investment than the intercooler (to me).

One nice tidbit is the posting also mentions all superchargers in '05-'06 MCS's have the teflon-coated rotors that only the earlier JCW kits had.  I've heard this previously, but I thought it was '04-'06.  It also mentions the Eaton M45 supercharger is no longer produced.  Will have to research that one.

There is also a quote of 168 HP and 220 lb. ft. TQ for the '05-06' models.  This is not quite true.  The 220 lb. ft. figure is in Nm (i.e. metric).
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2010, 01:10:11 AM »

Here is a specific reply in one of the threads that lists links to several intercooler articles:  NAM - Dr. Obnxs - GP Intercooler.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 08:00:36 PM »

The M 45 is still in production. Just no longer with the integrated water pump of the 02-06 S. I knew I should have picked one up from someone selling their JCW upgrade parts.
Stock injectors are good to 220 crank HP easy. Many people were running 250+ at the crank long before the 300+ injectors became available. The biggest advantage is it may reduce duty cycle of the injector and therefore make it easier to to maintain flow and improve life cycle of the units. My last dyno years ago pulled 205ish and still ran stupid rich over 5500. The stock IC does a very good job. Improved airflow through it is easy HP. I have a GRS Intercooler. One of the best made from a company run by a great guy. It helps but when a bigger IC get hot it just takes longer to cool down. Lucky for me I got a hand formed experimental scoop for my car. Still beats everything on the market. I also hand formed the air box above my IC. this increased the area above the IC by 40-50% if I recall. Gives it a greater area to stack above the IC before moving down through it. And don't dismiss that little diverter that sets about 40% of the way back on the IC cover, it helps. I have one of the first production GRS units produced and they originally came without a deflector. Graham(of GRS ) was nice enough to send me one of the first deflector units he produced. Free. This is the kind of guy he is. If I would have sent him my unit back he would have added that fin  and the improved inlet collars he has just made for free. Anyway I made many tests moving that deflector fin around. Properly placed it makes a significant difference in the IC performance. In particular uniform temps across the unit.

 I made many posts on MINI2 and NAM about it years back. That along with the Randy Webb/ DDM air box made the biggest difference in charge cooling on my car.
One maintenance item to not forget that will make a noticeable difference for an hours labor is to flush out the IC at least once a year. Oil catch can or not that gets nasty in there.

At 15% the stock IC keeps up quite well. Jump to 17% and your heat build up over 5500 ramps quickly. The MINI compensates by dumping tons of fuel. Pegging most A/F meters at 9:1.

My nickel on the exhausts. Magnaflow or Invidia. Everything else I've ever heard, that wasn't custom, compressed exhaust pulses over 55-5800RPM. Exhaust get that compressed air sound. Those 2 systems maintain discreet pulses right up to redline. The sacrifice though is cabin noise.

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 07:29:15 PM »

Man Terry, where have you been hiding?  Thanks for all the info on the IC, we all need to get together soon for lunch, dinner, ice cream, whatever. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 10:55:50 AM »

A gathering sounds good!  We can trade notes and thoughts on what to do.   023

Glad to hear Eaton still makes the M45 supercharger.  I had heard that it was no longer in production.  It would be nice if they upgrade it to the TVS technology.  This is the same design that is now incorporated on the ZR-1 Corvette, which is putting out ~620HP!

After all the IC research I have done, I'm considering two things.  One is to just get an Alta air diverter kit to go along with the stock IC.  The other is to get with Bahamabart and see about some kind of mod based on his custom air diverter.  He used the Forge IC, but I bet this design would work well with the stock IC, too.
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 12:02:13 PM »

I'm diggin that diverter!  I still need these pulleys installed BTW, in case anyone was wondering!

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 09:26:48 PM »

Terry's a rocket scientist.    038


Don't let him tell you it's not true...... I've seen him stick thermometers in his Mini t like measure stuff..... like air temps and whatnot.   023
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